Kev could well be right regarding the limited availability, as Pluri are only letting those apartments who's owners have signed a rental agreement. Sandra has told me that the 'search' for Ocean Ville has been very positive, but they will not guarantee a full July and August, 'at this time'.

Regarding the rental income - the owners will receive their 75%, as they've signed the rental agreement.

Regarding the maintenance fees - we can either pay them separately, or have them taken from our income - we just need to let Pluri know. Either way they aren't due until 31st Dec.

Surely the reason there is limited availability, is because they can only rent out the ones where we have signed a rental agreement???

If not then it looks like the whole thing is taking off at last!

hi critchleyj

i've just been trying to book certain dates aswell and all good news, not much availability either.  great news and this being our first season.  hopefully as oceanville becomes known, it will even do better next year.

Interesting that there is an official opening of T2, and we've not been informed. I hope Pluri are covering the costs of any breakages.

Pluri seem to be using the booking.com website.

http://www.booking.com/hotel/pt/ocean-ville.en.html?aid=311076;label=hotel-40575-pt-L9H9TxCDarvB3d1YoHM1oQS1086617904;ws=&gclid=COapkPrP_ZMCFQR3MAod_j57WQ

I tried to reserve an apartment from 6th July to 12 July, and it says that there are only 2 x 4pax and 5 pax T2 apartments left. T1's going like hot cakes too.

The site also has some guest reviews, most of which are promising. We currently have a rating of 8.5 based on 11 reviews :-)

Jon.

Just got back from Ocean ville today....The main change since I was there in Feb is the bar and restaurant are open and looking great I have to say..The gym equipment is in one of the empty units and I was told that they hope to have the gym and kids club open in August? I was told that there are a lot of bookings for July and August and that the official opening of plot 2's appartments is next Monday...Even though we haven't signed deeds I was told that this wasn't a problem(don't ask me I'm not an expert?)  One of the things I found interesting is that the remaining apartments in plot 2 are now being sold for 390,000 euros(yes 390) but with a guaranteed income of 64,000 euros over 5 years..I was once again told that we should be signing deeds in about 4 weeks????

Mark 

My husband spoke to our lawyer in Portugal today.  She has written to Sessimbra around 3 weeks ago demanding to know when the signature dates will be, and the current status of the project.  They have not replied tso far. 

She has said that the next step will be to force a response on the status via the 'tribunal' (the Portuguese courts), but that this won't be done before September, because everything shuts down next month for the summer.  We just have to wait as usual.

My Lawyer in Lisbon (he works for an International law firm) seems very good, he came to me by recommendation and although I have not got any money back as of yet he is very active and keeps me updated.

If you would like his details please mail me direct

Coleen

colleen.ayton@uk.bp.com

Jakeo,

the email contact fot he Portugal Office is

Cristina Caracuel Abogado [portugalcristina@caracuel-abogados.com]

The head office in Spain is irene@caracuel-abogados.com

Portugal Tel and Fax nos are:

  I would lokk around before using Caracuel. I am using them and they are not good at keeping in contact. I have to email several times before I get a response. They do the job, but are not very pro-active. You may be better of with a law firm in this country, which specialises in foreign property. At least they would be easier to contact.

I submitted through Caracuel a request to relinquish the contract and get my money back 4 months ago and neither I nor Caracuel has heard from Seisimbre, but they do not seem to be pushing it . I presume I have met the required 90 day cancellation period, but cannot absolutely confirm this.

I have received an email from Pluri stating that Seisembre will be contacting everybody who has cancelled to justify the delays and set out the procedures and timescale for refunds, but god knows when that will happen. Maybe I'll get my money back ready for my retirement.

Other than this I have heard absolutely nothing from Seisembre, Pluri or Parador since the begining of the year.

Is anyone else in this position?

Sometime, I think the only waty to get any action is to go out there and sit with the Solicitor.

Dave Ball

cheers Mark

i have now given your lawyer consent to act for me and hopefully sort this mess

rob

Hi All

Could anyone interested in my prevoious e-mail  regarding my returned deposit please contact me on harvey12@blueyonder.co.uk 

Cheers

Mark h

HI ALL

WE HAVENT EVEN COMPLETED ON ANY PROPERTIES YET AND THEY ARE TRYING FAST ONES ALREADY AND SNIDE GAMES IE ITS ONLY ILLEGAL IF ITS AN INVOICE ETC AND AS SOON AS YOU DO COMPLETE YOU WILL BE INVOICED FULL AMOUNT KNOWING FINE WELL WHEN YOU HAVE HANDED THEM THE BALANCE FOR PROPERTY YOUR IN THE HANDS OF THE GODS, I DONT TRUST THIS SHOWER ONE BIT , IM GETTING THE HELL OUT AS FAST AS I CAN

ROB

Guys,

I can confirm everything that pauls has stated, as i also had a lon conversation with PLURI, .Can anybody supply me with a contact for Caracuel Abogados , these are the solicitors that parador recomended and i have not been able to contact them .

Jakeo

James31,

If you read you contract it states somewhere that you have 3 months from the time you are informed of the date of closing to sign final documents, I know this as it has an important bearing on my loan dates.

jakeo

We also got that email and agree that we will not be sending over a cent until we sign deeds. 

About signing deeds, very interesting to read your post Robert....you say that it is the law that we have 6 months to complete when deeds are ready.  Is this information directly from your solicitor? as our solicitor (Ana), said we have 2 weeks.  We would also prefer to sign deeds as and when it suits us within a 6 month time period.

thanks in advance

Hi All,

To everyone who has waited as long as i have to end this nightmare!

I have just received my deposit back from Ocean ville + 3.5%  @ (5,793.55) also with current exchange rate its agood time to bring home. Please contact me if you require more info.

Mark

Hi all,

Just finished reading your mails about condo fees.From me they want 1600 euro for a t2.I agree with you all that this is crazy, and they will not be getting a penny from me until I sign final deeds.My big worry is , how short are they for money , and what if  they declare bankruptcy and the banks move in, thats our deposits out the window.I would be very careful about sending final payment over unless you where there and had your solicitor at you side.What i cannot understand is, if they really want money why do they not put pressure on the local townhall to get the paper work sorted out so they can pick up the final payments.This whole mess has me baffeld,sorry i ever got mixed up in it in the first place, but now i have gone this far , i will stick it out. As far as getting your deposit back because the build has gone over its time limit, I cannot see anyone getting far , does anybody know anyonewho has had there deposit returned.Blacky if your solicitor thinks it would be better if we all called him and we let him represent us ,I am willing to go that way, you could ask him.I still think this project will do well , but our timing has not being great,so do nothing foolish, like paying the fees and keep in touch.I will be asking my Irish solicitor for advice, as our Portugese one is uncontactable.

keep well.

jakeo

Mark

sandra said the same to me that its for july to december etc, thats not the point in my view as how on earth can you ask for condo fee up front hoping you will get the licence is the last straw for me ,these people think we are asy meat who will put up with what ever they do or charge but we wont as believe me they are not banging the doors in to buy property there anymore ,i told sandra that even if you get licence in next few weeks i have a 6month time period to complete on apt anyway and that is the law so i will complete as and when i see fit from licence issue day to my 6 months etc, i said and when i sign the deeds in my own time when its suits me best within the 6 months then you can start me paying condo fee on a monthly basis by direct debit and all signed and done professionally,

this smacks of desperation on pluri behalf for money of any kind and that has been my fear of this saga from realising what i had bought a year after i did all along, that fear being that if its not making them money they will look to get it from somewhere and that somewhere being us(owners), the problem being if i do complete they can do as they wish cause i have alot of money tied in there then and they will know this and squeeze at will, (in other words if the right deal is not stuck with them on our terms we will be giving them all the aces to deal out as they wish

Rob

I also spoke to Sandra today about this as my first impression was it was for the 6 months just gone.It is in fact for the 6 months starting 1st July through to December.I certainly won't be paying until I have signed contracts.Sandra is saying they are waiting for the town hall to release the deeds which should take about 4 weeks with no problems forseen.(It always seems we are 4 weeks away).She tells me that they are now taking bookings for the t2's as well as the t1's?? I am going to stay there in about 10 days time..I'll post an update on my return....     Mark.

hi all

i have got the same email as Paul asking for money for the 6 months of condo fee ie in my case around 1150 euros for a t1 apt, i have spoke to Sandra OF PLURI and told her i dont owe a peny for nothing and wont pay nothing as i dont own apt yet and until i do what you are asking is illegal ,she said to me it is to your discretion to pay or not as i am correct, ill be honest i have totally had enough and am going to Portugal to see Blackys lawyer and am getting her to act for me, i think i want out, the excuse given by sandra was that it was costing them alot of money to upkeep OV and they are hoping we will pay to help them out, i repplied what on earth has that got to do with me ,i dont go around giving money out to people on a hard luck story , i told her when i purchased all was rosy in the world 3years ago but now its all changed its a buyers market everywhere and i being the buyer will call shots ,

rob

Hi Robert Hayles

Thank you for the offer of the apartment, but no thank you, i am in the business of buying apartments for profit for gerryn not these other "bloodsuckers" who think foreigners are easy meat. As for Anna v. she got property sales of 1.4000000 mil euros from MRI - @ 1.5 com. do you think she is worried about me are you. HOPE THINGS WORK OUT FOR YOU.

Regards

Gerryn

p.s. ALBUFEIRA  is a beautiful town with great potential so dont give up (dont let the Bastards get you down)

DONT THINK ANY OF THE PORTUGESE SOLICITORS ARE IN MUCH OF A  HURRY TO REPLY AS THEY HAVE NOTHING NEW TO ADD, THEY ARE JUST WAITING HE SAME AS US FOR THE FINAL GO AHEAD AND THE CAN WASK THERE HAND S OF US

JKEO

av.lc.advogadas@mail.telepac.pt

although haven't used this in a couple of months, she never replied to our emails anyway

Well said Robert Hayles

Regards Gerryn

i think Gerryns a closet ocean Ville lover who is now gutted as he would prefer an apt there now, if you fancy apt ill sell you mine if y want Gerryn, at the end of the day Ocean Ville/ corcavada etc who gives a toss

gerryn

why are you so bothered about this forum?

Hi Christbyrne

where did you come out off ?

jakeo,

I'm in the same situation. I asked Sandra earlier this week, and she replied, "We are now only waiting the inspection final report is issued in order to be delivered to the Town Hall and for the license to be granted."

It's not the queen's English, but a further email indicates that we are waiting for the Town Hall. Pluri don't seem to be pushing for it, in true Portuguese style.

I asked my bank to extend my previous offer for another 12 weeks, and they did, which takes me up to the end of June. Not sure if they'll do that again.

Jon.

This may sound stupid, but has anybody actually signed the final deeds for a one room apartment, and does anybody have any idea of when the T2'S will be ready for final sign off.My bank offer is going to expire soon and its a pain to have to go through the same old stuff again.

jakeo

i think when i go over for 2 weeks late July for my holidays i will take price list of charges with me and ask for bill itemised, sounds like the freebees are finnished and hitting us as we cannot complete as yet

rob

looks like this site has come to a dead end.Latest from sandra was that the t2's has passed final inspection, waiting on townhall to put everything together, hopefully final signing mid summer.anyone any other news please let me know.

Jakeo.

Hi Critchleyj

I'm not sure if this applies to oceanville, but we have another apartment in portugal which sleeps 4 and when we asked about bookings for 5 or 6 guests, we were told for insurance reasons we were only covered for 4 people.  Maybe worth asking the question...