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I have just read on the british expats site that the TONIGHT WITH TREVOR MCDONALD team is interested in our stories of purchasing in Goa.
You can email the Assistant producer Jemma.North@ITV.com. she is waiting for your story.
| Cariad |
Come on folks, you may be PIOs or even better but please help those of us that have put up money to 'buy' (financed the builder with an interest free loan more like) to at least have a chance to get our money back as is the right of all world citizens.
Sign up and help to at least get some justice here. And I don't mean taking over Goa's beaches either, just human rights. Sign up.
| ToldUSo |
As all you FN's know we have no chance of obtaining our deeds from the Registrar at the moment. Those of us who have are being investigated and are under threat of having our properties confiscated.
In your own interest will you please sign the petition
http://www.petitions.pm.gov.uk Goan properties it is the No.10 Downing Street website.
we have 132 names and we need 200 for the petition to move on to the next stage.
You are allowed to use your FORUM NAME if you are apprehensive of using your real name.
Thanks | Cariad |
teagirl - thats the million dollar question - why did you buy in goa
when everyone knows (and has known) what a minefield this is for
foreigners ? If you are SO smart and grownup , how did you get
yourself in this mess ? i think you just have bad karma - you get
what you deserve.. | hosurman |
Hosurman
I find nothing constructive with any of the comment on this site or others about the current situation in Goa. How ever your comments are particulary unconstructive and very venermous,not helpful at all.
You seem to have posted on this site with the spitful intention of stirring up panick,why ? Are you an advocate a bulider,a Goan ?what is your agenda.You are not a resident on Danika or are you??.If you are, then state who you are.Otherwise you have no business posting on this site
With regards to your comment of me being racist, do you know me? ,I really don't think so I certainly wouldn't intentionally mix with such an unsavoury character has yourself with a brain the size of a pea.
If anyone on this site was racist then why would we have bought in Goa, this takes only half a brain cell to work out.....A very childish comment I think under the circumstances.
With regards to my IQ I find your comment rather amusing considering the comments you have made on this site, puts your IQ very much in question ?
I would suggest that your IQ is lower than a gnat
Now please get off this site you are not wanted and I think I speak for all the genuine tennants who post on this site from Danika
Teagirl
| Teagirl |
| Teagirl you appear very selective about the diarrhoea you can digest - I wonder what you find constructive about toldyouso's posts that you don't find in mine - You either lack the IQ to comprehend the things being discussed here, are racist, or simply cant hear real facts unless they are sugarcoated.. | hosurman |
the british still obey the rule of human rights - yeah right !
not as per what the press including the uk based guardian
has reported not long ago..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/02/iraq.military
http://www.business-humanrights.org/Links/Repository/298300
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/08/22/britain.racism/index.html
glad that the work (?) toldyouso was out to accomplish is done !
good riddance to bad ...
| kalyani |
Hosurman
This site was set up for Residents on Danika to chat
I don't believe you are a resident of Danika so why come on this site vomiting verbal Diarrhoea.
If you don't have anything constructive to add about the current situation in Goa then please don't post. You might find that your comments are more appreciated in Goan local news papers because this seems to be all they spout verbal Diarrhoea
Teagirl
| Teagirl |
sure - there are a lot of foreign nationals working in india -
but most are aware that buying properties is not allowed by
foreign nationals as per indian law ! So why would they line
up to book homes in goa ??
foreigners are treated with courtesy , help and support in
india too but if the law of the land does not permit foreign
nationals to buy property then thats how it is - every country
has its laws for a reason. it is immature to think that every
county should have the same laws as europe and if you are
not happy with the way things are you should write to the
eu commission and have them pressurize the indian
government to change the law instead of rambling on and
on in this forum.
what 'job ' have you done here . none of your posts had
validity or logic and when you see yourself losing
arguments that YOU started, you try and change the subject
by making accusations of racial prejudice when clearly this
is not the case !
anyway - im glad your ' job ' is done here - thats the best thing
you/ve said so far and for once i agree .. | hosurman |
Oh how colloquial you are hosurman. Clearly you do not realise the number of europeans living in Dehli, Mumbai and other central Indian cities.
I have no desire to live in Goa, I do however have a desire to see my fellow countrymen treated as yours are when they populate our country - with courtesy and help and support.
And may I remind you that the British still obey the rule of Human Rights and respect for diversity of nations. What you have been posting is tantamount to racial prejudice - punishable by law in Europe. Clearly you have never been there.
Thanks housurman you have given us all a glimpse of the worst of Indian culture. My job is done. | ToldUSo |
use your common sense tolduso - what are the chances that foreign nationals would go to delhi to attend a property show and make on the spot bookings ?? your question would have had relevance had my reference been to a property show in london or new jersey ..
if there were foreign nationals who did go, there would have been very few - people like yourself who lack objectivity and attention.
your second point is irrelevant too (as most things you say) - why would the tourists go ? not everyone comes to buy a home in goa or want to live there - the majority of foreign visitors come for a couple of weeks have a good time and leave .
sure - goa does depend on foreign tourists (most of who come for a visit not to live). while unlikely, lets say hypothetically that foreign tourists were replaced with indian tourists . do you think the locals would not adapt themselves to the changed circumstances and cater to the new customer base. how do you think people in other parts of india (not frequented by foreigner tourists) make a living?
stop proclaiming yourself as the savior of the underprivileged and poor goans to justify your strong sense of entitlement to live in goa | hosurman |
Can you confirm they were ALL Indians?
You didn't make any comment about the locals loosing out when the tourists go. Could this be because you don't care about your local community.
Remember King Midas! | ToldUSo |
re the Goa Property Show ‘Delhi’ 2008, there were 800 on the spot registrations !
gee - i suppose indians ARE buying homes in goa
News Article on Goa Property Show ‘Delhi’ 2008 | hosurman |
| Be careful what you wish for!!!!! | ToldUSo |
unless the indian constitution is amended or the state adopts a legislative change,
opinions alone will have little consequence and remain what they are - 'opinions' | hosurman |
tolduso, the point of the post was to point out the ministers
assurance to nri's that their real estate investments in i goa
would be secure . goans like other indians who work
around the world have a special place in their hearts for
their home land - despite the erratic electricity and
'undrinkable' water.
so while they probably own homes where they live, nri's are also
buying properties in india. the uncertainty for foreign nationals
buying in goa is not new and as a result the purchases by fn
has reduced - but the prices are still rising steadily - the reason is
that nri's and indian nationals are pushing the market
a few politicians who 'consider' pio /oci/in/nre to be foreigners
are entitled to their opinion as is everyone - but opinions dont
change constitutions which in india entitles indians and people
of indian origin to buy property anywhere in India - unless the
state has (existing) rules prohibiting people from out of state
to buy - kashmir, uttrakhand, and himachal are examples
though here also there are provisions for out of state indian
nationals to buy flats in himachal and upto 500 sq m of land
in uttranchal.
so unless goa introduces a radical legislation which is just
not commercially viable - politicians can keep expressing their
opinions for the satisfaction of naive people like yourself.
and thank god that not all fn are british !
do you believe everything your friends tell you ? your circle of
indian friends seem oblivious to the fact that 300 properties in
goa were booked on the spot at a recent property show in
delhi
indians love goa for the same reason as non indians do and with
the growing prospertity - specially in delhi , mumbai, bangalore they
can afford second homes at prices at even the inflated rates they
are selling at today. | hosurman |
I was under the impression that these sites were for informed discussion and exchange of information not slanging matches. They have obviously been hijacked by the more violent element of society and I for one will no longer be part of it. What happened to civilised dialog!!!
Its disgraceful | supeplow |
| Oh and who is going to come back from Kuwait where they can earn truck loads of money and live in high class developments with all mod cons to Goa where the electricity fails at regular intervals, the water is undrinkable and if you show you have money you end up getting robbed. Pleeeease!!! | ToldUSo |
Welcome hosurman (or is it vindaloo_man?). Your rant has a ring of familiarity to it..
What cloud are you riding on at the moment, a self important one it seems. Where do you think the IN/NRI/PIO is going to come from as I believe there is currently a school of politicians who consider them to be FNs. Also don't forget FNs are not just British!!!
At the current prices for property no Indian would touch them and believe me my Indian friends have told me so. Even the relatively affulent can't afford to buy them. Builders may be legally able to sell them on but who will buy them? Not the Indian community - they purchase property in Europe where the infrastructure is in place and they can make money. NRI/PIO will want them for investment/let but the foreign tourist will be in the posh hotels or have already gone elswhere. What is more Indians will not spend money on food from shacks, local bars or the gift shops. Why would they want to buy souvenirs or jewlery from Inda at inflated tourist prices.
Give Goa back to the Goans if that is what you want - coconuts, pristine beaches and hunger for the indigenous population is what you will have. But maybe you are not so poor so what do you care? | ToldUSo |
here is some reassuring news for nri's who may have issues with
the ongoing fiasco. A well-known Indian minister Wednesday
urged NRIs to invest in properties back home, even as he
said that the Goa government passed a law banning the sale
of land to foreign nationals.
Churchill Alemao, the Goan Cabinet Minister of Public Works
and Development (PWD), arrived in Kuwait Monday on a
five-day private visit accompanied by his family members.
In an interview to the Arab Times, the former chief minister
added that the Goa government is going to confiscate the
properties presently owned by foreigners thereby auctioning
them off. “The influence of undesirable elements is growing
in certain pockets of North Goa,” lamented Alemao.
Lauding the contribution of NRIs, the congressman noted
that they have been instrumental in propelling the economy
of the country, even as he implored them to continue sending
remittances. He also said that the Goa government has
passed a law which safeguards the properties of NRIs.
Alemao, whohas emerged as a political heavyweight over the
last few years, said that the NRIs should come out with their
grievancesand that he was willing to take them up with the
concerned authorities back home.
“Some people blame us for not doing enough for the welfare
of NRIs. What I say is that...NRIs should brief us on problems
facing them and we will try our best to address them.
At the same time, the NRIs should also try to give back
something for their country,” added Alemao, | hosurman |
I disagree with this statement - england is civilised and sympathetic ? Very few people who are non english would agree - ask the french, spanish, turkish, greeks even scots and irish and they would disagree - you have a history of sneaking into other peoples countries and plundering every possible resource including humans and the environment - your queen still wears stolen jewels on her crown - jewels stolen from india ! the fact that you were kicked out 60 years ago from most parts was because ultimately people saw your true colors - it is very doubtful that your evolved to a civilized state in half a century.
No other nation manages to spoil other people’s holidays so thoroughly as the english . you do that all through the summer everywhere the sun shines with a unique mixture of wantonness and arrogance, pathetic addiction to drink, bad taste, and actually just your ugliness and thickheaded presence.
luckily it is easy to recognize english people on holiday. a clean shaven head with a much too big and cheap pair of sunglasses; a sun burnt bull’s neck; a set of disgusting tattoos across his torso if it is not covered with a football shirt of Manchester United; a half liter of beer always on hand. The lady in the company divides her attention between the whining children and the curtain that she got mixed up with the tops in her wardrobe while packing. Anyone who has seen an english couple on holiday understands why the english papers are filled with dramatic stories about binge drinking, obesity and teen-age pregnancies.
“The trend of hooligan tourism is not new. The english have single handedly ruined the Spanish island Ibiza, in Greece they wrecked Faliraki and with all the drinking and fighting Corfu is well on its way to disappearing into the sea like the mythical city of Atlantis. What is new is that the english who stay behind in and around London seem to be aware that something is wrong. The papers run almost weekly stories on how their countrymen carry on in southern Europe. An Ibiza club owner is allowed to relate how the english destroyed the tourist industry with their drink and drugs abuse. There are reprints of front pages from Greek newspapers that show Brits licking whipped cream of the bosoms of their summer girlfriends on the beach.
“We need a solution. How about that the British tell the rest of the world which beach or island they intend to wreck this year so that we know where to keep away from? Are the Brits going to Majorca or Crete this year? Then we are off to Goa or Kerala. Then everybody will be happy.”
civilized ? i dont think so !
What would happen if the UK made life so difficult for the 55,000 Goans in britain? Should they say that those of them not working can't have benefits or health care, and that their homes should be bought back at knock down prices, or worse still confiscated? ...No, of course not, because England is a civilised and sympathetic country. | kalyani |
| once again you have presented the 'perfect response' that New Delhi wanted and requested for NDMC and Delhi Cantonment Board (DCB) for corraborated evidence relating to FN stating and proving paying full freehold prices in the state of Goa, and builders accepting illegal international payment for property. | WESTLEY |
Confidentiality ? if he wanted to be discrete why would he disclose
his identity on this very thread  . authorization and permission
to state his name - i suggest you go through the thread before making
incorrect conclusions and threatening to delete realistic posts
that you cannot seem to digest. - other than endlessly pursue your
agenda of extolling the virtues of the importance of working together,
you defend someone you obviously have empathy for - the fact that this
person behaves in a manner that causes anti-brit sentiment does not
seem to bother you - making it appear that you are part of this club
of people who loves to run india down while at same time you
want to own homes and live there !
with regards to your point about maintenance fee being 7/8/9 times
higher - once the 5 year leases lapse, the developer can (and will)
resell to any one who is IN/PIO/NRE (on a freehold basis). the new
owners (will) pay maintenance fee - just like other residents and 'owners' .
why would there be a dispute or litigation on a lease when it completes
its 5 year term ?
| hosurman |
Hosurman- Unless 21 has given you either direct permission or authorisation to state their name; you are breaking a fundamental principal of such site on confidentiality. That could result in either your comments/views removed that you have the right to express.
There does need a sensitive and reflective approach and if you are an owner, if we do not ALL work to address this together, then after property is disputed and litigation to follow these ‘owners’ will be left after the 5 years with maintenance bills 7/8/9 times etc higher than expected. It this complex is to succeed in the long term it will be an issue for all no matter what status. | WESTLEY |
Michael / 21,
your post implies that india is uncivilised and unsympathetic - if you
feel this way i wonder what attracts you to want to want to visit (and maybe)
live in such a place ?
Please try and be more constructive in your posts - you seen to complain
about everything ! By running down a country you aspire to visit and live in
is not going to help you or other foreign nationals who would otherwise
be welcome. it would be naive of you to assume that such posts are
not read by the consul staff at the hci, or indian immigration authorities
who can very easily figure out who thinks what about india when they
apply for visas.
you should be ashamed of youself for contributing to the xenophobia which
is partly to blame for the great mess we are all in !  You want to live in
the sun, enjoy the low cost of living and the other things goa has to offer and
still have such a negative view of the same place !
i for one would not like to have you as my neighbor and while on principle
what is happening is not right , your attitude affects the impression people
have of brits. some people in this
forum have suggested that pio's, nri, IN , FN - all need to get together and try
and fix these problems together - but with posts such as yours, the
xenophobia (specially against brits) is only going to grow and i dont see p
eople working together to find a solution to these problems. | hosurman |
Michael / 21,
your post implies that india is uncivilised and unsympathetic - if you feel this way
i wonder what attracts you to want to want to visit (and maybe) live in such a place ?
Please try and be more constructive in your posts - you seen to complain about everything !
By running down a country you aspire to visit and live in is not going to help you or other
foreign nationals who would otherwise be welcome. it would be naive of you to assume that
such posts are not read by the consul staff at the hci, or indian immigration authorities
who can very easily figure out who thinks what about india when they apply for visas.
you should be ashamed of youself for contributing to the xenophobia which is partly to blame for the great mess we are all in !  You want to live in the sun, enjoy the low cost of living and the other things goa has to offer and still have such a negative view of the same place !
i for one would not like to have you as my neighbor and while on principle what is happening is not right , your attitude affects the impression people have of brits. some people in this
forum have suggested that pio's, nri, IN , FN - all need to get together and try and fix
these problems together - but with posts such as yours, the xenophoebia (specially against brits) is only going to grow and i dont see people working together to find a solution to
these problems. | hosurman |
There is a journalist prepared to write our story, if you are prepared to help her
ginetta.v@ntlworld.com
Have you all signed the petition 10 Downing Street, site, re this fiasco.
You are allowed a non de plume
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Goa-properties.
Thanks | Cariad |
It should be remembered that, despite popular misconseption, Goa is not a seperate country.
Again, in reality, the laws governing Indian companies with FN directors comes under Indian law, not Goan.
In an article in Feb 2007, in I think the Indian times, this issue was addressed by the Assistant Attorney General (of India) who cleared the whole thing up, pointing out that no FN can own imovable property in India including Goa. But FN owned companies can. He further went on to explain that there is no legal reason for the company to turn a profit, or indeed trade. It simply has to submit accounts and comply with indian law.
The Goan government is already irritating Delhi by acting unilateraly in this matter. The Goan Attorney General retired, recently voiced in the Herald paper that none of the laws the Goan Govt' have made to stop FN's getting property can be upheld in law.
What would happen if the UK made life so difficult for the 55,000 Goans in britain? Should they say that those of them not working can't have benefits or health care, and that their homes should be bought back at knock down prices, or worse still confiscated? ...No, of course not, because England is a civilised and sympathetic country.
We ask nothing of the Goans, we pay our own doctors bills and spend our own money. Why can't we just be left in peace (the few hundred we are) like we leave them in peace in our country? | 21 |
developers cannot resolve the ' current chaos and confusion with Indian property ownership.' this has to do with the goa government / registrar office who at this time is refusing to register properties for foreigners - one reason that comes to mind is this: while there are people who have taken the 'legitimate' business route , one of the the issues under the scanner is the 'real' purpose of their setting up the business - as it is suspected that majority of foreigners have registered businesses in goa only to own homes - so while on paper things may appear legitimate, most of these 'businesses' are ultimately paper firms - figures at the Goa Registrar of Companies office, indicate that in 2001, the ROC registered a total of 129 companies, in 2002 it was 114, in 2003 it was 189.
Subsequently, the numbers jumped considerably to 397 (2004), 655 (2005), 647 (2006) and 565 in 2007. "In the last three years, it’s mainly foreigners who are coming to register companies," an official at the ROC not willing to be quoted, said. - more of this article http://howrah.org/india_news/9201.html
surely the investigation will probe into why it is that most businesses being registered in goa are by foreigners ! and what would become very obvious is the blatant misuse of the fema/rbi provision - which puts all the legit business owners in this situation.
i see little point in signing petitions - it is highly unlikely that a member of parliament would be able to straighten this mess - at the most they will write to the indian embassy or to the indian government - who will react with assurances that this would be looked into - and that would be the end of that.. perhaps a good lawyer representing all the stakeholders and taking this to the mumbai high court - as class action law suite may work better..
most foreign buyers who thought they were buying freehold have committed on paper to pay for 5 years of maintenance - even though what they were leasing (not buying) so i dont think one need to worry too much about the maintenance factor. if they cease to pay installments or the agreed amount before completion of the project - they risk paying high rates of interest and even losing the flat - legally making it possible for the developer to sell to someone else. 5 years is a long time - hopefully things will settle down by then and the legitimate business owners would be able to get their sale deeds - otherwise at the end of their lease - the developer (who is still the owner and has a stake in reselling the once leased units) will simply sell the same unit to someone else who is more qualified to have free hold possession - (nri / oci / pio/ in) ..
| kalyani |
Hi,
I am new to this site and have been reading others as well. Sadly I did my homework too late and am now in the boat with you. I notice in all of these sites that there is no suggestion of getting rid of the hated FNs who have laid their money down, by giving them back their money and selling on to their beloved locals, who really deserve to own the land.
For those of you who want to stand up and be counted one brave soul has started an on line petition which requires 200 signatures to be picked up by a UK MP. Do go online and sign it, it may do no good but we can try. For those of you who still believe that you will one day 'own' your properties, indulge us poor faithless unbelievers and sign the petition. It can't do you any harm.
The web address is http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Goa-Properties
At least we can get some clarity on the situation. | ToldUSo |
While there are a number of ‘owners’ within the development with ‘Deed of Sale’, there are long term issues that will affect us ALL. As there are a high percentage of FN’s within each development there needs a collaborative approach and response with the current chaos on ownership of property.
I have seen many developments that fall into complete ruin in Goa where the maintenance and repairs of such developments have been placed at the hands of just a few of the owners. No FN entered into this without either seeking clarity or business acrimony that owning property was viable. Why would any of us pay the freehold price for a 5 year lease? What will then happen in some cases in the next 3/4/5 years when there is the expectation for EACH ‘owner’ to contribute into the maintenance and society fund when these issues of deeds have not been addressed. Believe me it will be an issue for ALL.
There is though an opportunity that started with the US refusing to invest into either Indian business/ property if there is not a change in the current law. This has now been taken up by a number of UK politicians that are to address this issue with the Indian Embassy and Indian government. Can you please refer to the ‘BRITISH EXPATS GOA’ website under ‘BUYER BEWARE’ to support the current petition to be presented,
With thanks. | WESTLEY |
The philosophy of such sites is to both inform and support property ‘owners’ within developments and NOT to create either personal comments that clearly are based on personal perspectives or political agendas.
While the majority have followed FEMA and RBI conditions, and have a ‘legitimate’ business, having dealt with many other developers in Goa, it has to be stated both clearly and fairly that this developer does not wish to seek solutions to the current chaos and confusion with Indian property ownership.
Most ‘owners’ do have a historical context on their reasons to purchase and I could have easily with family and close friends having IN/PIO status placed such property deeds in their name. Why should I when my business is legitimate?
When such comments are placed in public forums they can be used to corroborate claims and disputes on both sides. When meeting with two MP’s yesterday afternoon they have in fact already been sent printed copies of these comments and names of developers to present to the Indian Embassy.
| WESTLEY |
It is not fair to blame micon and other developers for a situation that has
backfired on foreigners due to tightening of loop holes in laws/rules
pertaining to purchasing property / homes in india by foreigners.
the fact is there are very few foreigners who have set up a bonafide
businesses in India - the sole intention of most foreigners who set up
a 'business' was to buy property. indian authorties are not blind to this
misuse of a provision which was put into place for the benefit of
(bonafide) foreign businesses. boanafide means - businesses who
maintain books , P/L statements, file tax returns, have employees and
show profits. those who went by the (popular) misconception that indian
authorities are too stupid and would overlook this farce were naive and
now have to pay the price - by being in the situation they find themselves in ..
the recent fiona/scarlett incident in goa has awoken the people and
government of india that several of the FN's who have an obsession
with living in goa includes trailer trash / dregs of european society who
are inherently irresponsible, habitually abuse their own social system,
and would eventually do more harm than good to goa / india. such people
are NOT welcome in india.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080044296&ch=3/17/2008%2011:57:00%20PM
It seems the same category of people frequent these forums and rant
about everything and everyone - from developers to lawyers. they thought
they were too smart - now they realize that they themselves were the suckers,
which is why they come here and blame everyone else for their own stupidity
and naiveity - not unlike fiona mackeown.
as far as getting a refund is concerned - if micon or any developer offers 'any'
money for what FN thought would eventually be a free hold property, they are
being good to you and you should consider yourself very lucky - take what you
get and get out. stop harping about the fact that they may sell them at twice
of what you paid ! - its only because they were smart and you were not ..
Tragically it seems as if Micon Realtors may have a different agenda at Danika.
It appears the plan is to harrass and deny purchasers until they are worn down,
and then offer them a refund. Of course this means Micon owns the houses
and then sells them a second time for over double what we paid.
Several people seem to have chucked in the towel already, and accepted the loss,
just to get rid of the mental anguish/stress.
A word of warning: do not give Micon your receipts, they are offering to exchange
them for new ones, however they will state that you are only buying a 56 month
lease (your original receipts say you are buying a house)
The site is virtually insecure. No main gate as promised in the contract.We are
told ther will not be one either. Thus we are all having to have expensive grills
fitted to guard against our houses being plundered when we leave for the rainy
season.
All other builders seem to be playing fair and not giving this hassle. | vindaoo_man |
It is unfair to blame micon and other developers for a situation that has backfired on foreigners due to tightening of loop holes in laws/rules pertaining to purchasing property / homes in india by foreigners.
the fact is there are very few foreigners who have set up a bonafide businesses in India - the sole intention of most foreigners who set up a 'business' was to buy property. indian authorties are not blind to this misuse of a provision which was put into place for the benefit of (bonafide) foreign businesses. boanafide means - businesses who maintain books , P/L statements, file tax returns, have employees and show profits. those who went by the (popular) misconception that indian authorities are too stupid and would overlook this farce were naive and now have to pay the price - by being in the situation they find themselves in ..
the recent fiona/scarlett incident in goa has awoken the people and government of india that several of the FN's who have an obsession with living in goa includes trailer trash / dregs of european society who are inherently irresponsible, habitually abuse their own social system, and would eventually do more harm than good to goa / india. such people are NOT welcome in india.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080044296&ch=3/17/2008%2011:57:00%20PM
It seems the same category of people frequent these forums and rant about everything and everyone - from developers to lawyers. they thought they were too smart - now they realize that they themselves were the suckers, which is why they come here and blame everyone else for their own stupidity and naiveity - not unlike fiona mackeown.
as far as getting a refund is concerned - if micon or any developer offers 'any' money for what FN thought would eventually be a free hold property, they are being good to you and you should consider yourself very lucky - take what you get and get out. stop harping about the fact that they may sell them at twice of what you paid ! - its only because they were smart and you were not ..
Originally Posted by pacomarti View Post
UNTIL THE ISSUES BELOW ARE CLEARED UP I WOULD ADVISE AGAINST ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT WITH MICON REALTORS.
Tragically it seems as if Micon Realtors may have a different agenda at Danika & other sites. It appears the plan is to harass, and deny purchasers the deeds, until they are worn down, and then offer them a refund.
Of course this means Micon owns the houses, and then sells them a second time for over double what we paid. Several people seem to have 'chucked in the towel' already, and accepted the loss, just to get rid of the mental anguish/stress.
(A word of warning: do not give Micon your receipts, they are offering to exchange them for new ones, however they will state that you are only buying a 56 month lease (your original receipts say you are buying a house))
RE DANIKS: The site is virtually insecure. No main gate as promised in the contract. We are told there will not be one either. Thus we are all having to have expensive grills fitted to guard against our houses being plundered when we leave for the rainy season.
(All other builders seem to be playing fair and not giving this hassle. We know this as we have bought in the North as well.)
I imagine he will try and do the same at Coastal Paradise. I hope I am wrong. He refuses to give any of us our sale deed, saying we must provide RBI approval and Home office NOC certificate first. Our lawyer states that it is nothing to do with Micon, and they should give us the sale deed as per the contract. Then it would up to us to get all necessary permission and register the sale deeds to our Indian Company. (After all, what have we paid stamp duty and deed fees for?)
The Assistant Attorney General has clarified this in an article earlier this year, stating it is mandatory to give the sale deed to an Indian company even if the directors are foreign.
If we do get our sale deeds, I will of course apologize on this forum for being so suspicious! | vindaoo_man |
Tragically it seems as if Micon Realtors may have a different agenda at Danika. It appears the plan is to harrass and deny purchasers until they are worn down, and then offer them a refund. Of course this means Micon owns the houses and then sells them a second time for over double what we paid. Several people seem to have chucked in the towel already, and accepted the loss, just to get rid of the mental anguish/stress.
A word of warning: do not give Micon your receipts, they are offering to exchange them for new ones, however they will state that you are only buying a 56 month lease (your original receipts say you are buying a house)
The site is virtually insecure. No main gate as promised in the contract. We are told ther will not be one either. Thus we are all having to have expensive grills fitted to guard against our houses being plundered when we leave for the rainy season.
All other builders seem to be playing fair and not giving this hassle. | 21 |
| Tragicallt it seems as if Micon | 21 |
Just returned from Goa. Have taken possession and all items on my small snagging list were attended to promptly. The site looks great front gates and even flower bed edges painted. Swimming pool was just being commissioned when I left. Lights operational on individual front gates and also bulkhead lights fitted on the rear perimiter wall. The finish standard is better than phase I. Keys - every door has a lock - take key label tags!
I pointed out to Micon that there was an error in their bill re interest charges and it was immediately cancelled. Mr. Gomes is issuing letters of undertaking to return any unused balance on the communal electricity charges. I found them very helpful.
Site security - there is a security hut at the far paddy field end of the site. Currently everything appears okay, but we need to keep an eye on the level of security provided until the society is formed.
Pat
| greatauntpat |
HI,
Have just heard that only door furniture and outside final coat of paint need completion .It is anticipated that the site will be completed in 15 days when all the workmen will move offsite.
Also had a report that our house is fabulous. Two and a half years from start to finish!
Best wishes
Pat
| greatauntpat |
What a joke! Gomes want 24,000 rupees each for communal electricity and water deposit. This equates to nearly 10,000 sterling, enough to pay the shared bills for about fifteen years.
Then he has the nerve to charge us interest when we have always paid on time, and when he´s anything from 6 months to a year late finishing.
He is trying the get out clause 'delay on the government side', but this will not wash as the houses are still not ready.
He wants to charge insurance against burglary, but hasn't provided a secure complex as per the contract.
The list just goes on. We were going to buy on Micon Paradise this year, but guess what...no way! | 21 |
Hi,
16.09.2007 Site visit confirmed that exteriors are not yet decorated.
Several owners have received notification to take possession. I shall be out in Goa 1st Nov -
26th November.
Best wishes
Pat | greatauntpat |
Hi Munira,
I have a bit more background on this one for you. Probably best that we chat on the phone sometime - I have sent you a private message on this site with my telephone number.
Best wishes
Pat | greatauntpat |
We just back from Goa last week. Visited the development, Phase II houses are completed, but the outside and perimeter walls have yet to be painted. The developer, stated the painting will commence after the Monsoon season. I am expecting the property to be completed around the end of October 07.
The developer tried to ask for the final settlement, but I refused on the basis the property was not painted.
I am concerned that the development will not be secured (as per the message posted on 14th Feb 07), is there something we can do to ensure it does get a secure entrance, perhaps we can all get together and withhold a percentage of the final payment on the basis that the development falls short of what was contracted ?
Any thoughts ? Don't forget we are all paying service charges based on a secured complex.
| munira |
I have just received word from our friend out in Goa that all houses on Danika with the exception of the first block of four on the left has you enter the complex are complete with windows and door.All plumbing is finished and the water is going to be connected next month.The pool is also completed, painted and tiled
Our friend spoke to the Forman on the sit and he said, once the electricity is turned on In September,the complex will be complete.So we can all look forward to furnishing our places very soon
TeaGirl
| Teagirl |
Update 18.6.2007
Our block (far right hand) has had windows and doors fitted but has not been tiled. The Architect has advised that exterior decoration will be completed after monsoon. Still awaiting a response from Micon re completion date.
Anyone currently out in Goa or visiting in the next couple of months?
Best wishes Pat
| greatauntpat |
Update 8.6.2007 Roy and I have received copies of completion and occupancy certificates from Micon with a note that they are just awaiting for elec. and water to be connected.
Micon realtors have changed their website and email address to www.miconrealtors.in (not .com).
Regards Pat
| greatauntpat |
Hi,
Update received from a site visitor today - the road is complete.
Best wishes
Pat | greatauntpat |
Hi,
|Update from Goa this week. Steady work with 8 plumbers and team of bricklayers on site throughout the 3 weeks our friend was out there. Mr. Gomes is indicating that he is trying to progress as much as he can before monsoon. He has indicated tentatively end Oct/beginning November for completion of our block. At the moment they are bricking in and rendering the ugly outside drainpipes, have put window frames in the bathrooms and are continuing with plumbing and tiling and outside drains and walls. The site looks much tidier now that it has been levelled.
I dont know of anyone going out to Goa before October - does anyone know of someone out there who could give us feedback on site progress in the meantime?
Best wishes Pat
| greatauntpat |
Hi,
Current update (7.4.07) All properties plastered internally and rendered externally. Swimming pool concrete liner complete. Interior tiling has started on first right hand block. Drains have been dug, foundation work has started on garden walls between properties and front garden walls and the site generally levelled. I have been advised that perimeter walls have been built up and rendered; these are around our new build properties only and look to be in accordance with Micon's original published literature/planning permission. I also understand that a perimeter wall will be built around the swimming pool and pavilion.
One/two houses in each block have had their windows bricked up and are being used for bulk storage of tiles, etc., so hopefully there should not be further delays awaiting materials. Latest completion date for our block - Sept/Oct.
I should receive a further update in 3 weeks.
Best wishes
Pat
| greatauntpat |
| Work started again, pool now nearly finished. Wow! | 21 |
| Two weeks now since we have seen any work at Danika! | 21 |